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dr love · Apr 19, 2009, 04:04 PM // 16:04

in your experience, what is a better build for the omega/euro/(whatever you call it) spike caller:

1. w/a with dismember, protector's, augury and another shadow step

2. a/p with deep wound and enchant removal on spear chucks

the w/a can shadow step away from aoe and someone backlining him. but imo he is usually easier to follow even with the shadow step

the a/p can hit anyone in range, so shadow step is not needed. he also has 1 enchant removal (goodbye SB or something else) however, if a frontliner is on him the whole match, it can mess up the spike

laurana half elf · Apr 19, 2009, 04:21 PM // 16:21

w/a endurance war for more versatility

Killed u man · Apr 19, 2009, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by laurana half elf

w/a endurance war for more versatility

It's a one dimensional spike, I don't see why you would want versatility.

As I said in the other thread, AFTER you've already taken down their backline with Omega-Spike, the "pressure" from a Frenzy Warrior will definatly clean up the rest of the enemy team faster, but you're merely speeding up your victory by a few seconds/minutes.

WHAT versatility are you talking about? I'm not calling you out, but I really want to know what you had in mind, as I might be missing something here. What does the W/A offer the A/P doesn't have?

A/P is harder to prot, it has an auto-strip (On top of PoD), aswell as a larger spike (Dismember + Prot < Vicious + disrupting/harrier's).

Shadowsteps and frenzy DPS is the only thing I can really come up with as to why someone would want the Warrior over the Sin.

For GvG:

If you're having splits in mind, well... Splitting in GvG is good for some epic lulz, but in reality splitting is pointless and will just end up in a post-poned loss for your team. Esp. With 90% of the guilds running Burning Isle (Outside of AT), aswell as Bspikes with Fallback and Incomming.

As I said, what does the Warrior really offer over the A/P? Besides some Shadowsteps which you don't need, a frenzy which U don't need and some DPS which you don't need?

Ec]-[oMaN · Apr 19, 2009, 05:03 PM // 17:03

W/A=tele spikes, fake spikes, dual deep wounds/more frequent, higher armor, tele may give spikes away but dmg should be instant on the tele, good luck

A/P= Can be built to rip some enchants, or can be built with the dual speed boosts. Probably something you don't need in HA but in GvG serves better and can free up what you take on your flagger instead of global speed boosts. Lower armor, spikes less frequent and in the same sense as people claim the tele can give away the spike the sin turning to spear target+GFTE gives it away.

Reverend Dr · Apr 19, 2009, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Unless there is a KD in that omega spike I wouldn't run anything with spears. I've juked too many para spikes to feel that spear is that great on a spike.

I'd definately go with A/D with order of apostacy though.

Truegen · Apr 19, 2009, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Speaking from a strictly-HA standpoint:

Pros of W/A > A/P: Warriors obviously have higher armor, which is the first biggest benefit (plus their natural resistance to physical damage). The dual deep wounds are very nice and Dismember can be built up in only 5 strikes of adrenaline. And like Echoman said, you can also fake spike much better (req. good warrior)

Cons of W/A > A/P: You basically have a set bar...http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:W/A_Endurance_Axe ...There's very little room for adjustment or creativity (except maybe the new dagger-warrior build, but that's not really comparable to this because it requires a different team set-up). A/P's have a comparably high damage output due to their Critical Strikes, and can change between spear chucker, palm strike, shattering assault, etc. One could argue that the high armor of the warrior doesn't make a world of difference once you bring a PoD + Cracked Armor

Moral of the story: I'd still pick a W/A over an A/P, because (at least imo) unless you're running some sort of hexway or meta-all-caster way (lichway, eleball, RtL, etc.) it's good to have a guy up front with high armor and high health that can both take and give a beating. I also like the augury-style spike from the W/A...when planted at the right time, it's virtually impossible to prot based on looking for the hex

dr love · Apr 20, 2009, 02:51 PM // 14:51

good replies. i suppose there is the A/D WS scythe shadow stepper as well. reflected ran that a few times in HA with jatt stomping my arse the whole match

Luminarus · Apr 20, 2009, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

For GvG:

If you're having splits in mind, well... Splitting in GvG is good for some epic lulz, but in reality splitting is pointless and will just end up in a post-poned loss for your team. Esp. With 90% of the guilds running Burning Isle (Outside of AT), aswell as Bspikes with Fallback and Incomming.

Im gonna disagree with you here. My guild versed an Omega spike and we absolutely ripped them by just outrunning them around the map. Our damage was running into their base, killing one or two NPC's, then their damage would come back and we would run around again. Because we were moving so much, our monks could basically hold out against them easy. Our WoH and Runner were able to hold out basically versus the whole spike, as the runner would maintain weapon of warding on the woh, and he was unspikeable from ether prism. Our prot ran with the damage to keep them alive, and when they finally gave up chasing our damage and tried to push into our base, the runner and woh slowed em down enough that we won the lord rush.

Splitting won the game in that case.

Nimble Night · Apr 20, 2009, 03:34 PM // 15:34

Warriors can pump out more deepwounds, allowing faster consecutive spikes and the ability to fake. They are therefore better.

A/P are run in GvG so you can bring incoming and fall back. I dont see why you would run them in tombs.

TheHaxor · Apr 20, 2009, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Im gonna disagree with you here. My guild versed an Omega spike and we absolutely ripped them by just outrunning them around the map. Our damage was running into their base, killing one or two NPC's, then their damage would come back and we would run around again. Because we were moving so much, our monks could basically hold out against them easy. Our WoH and Runner were able to hold out basically versus the whole spike, as the runner would maintain weapon of warding on the woh, and he was unspikeable from ether prism. Our prot ran with the damage to keep them alive, and when they finally gave up chasing our damage and tried to push into our base, the runner and woh slowed em down enough that we won the lord rush.

Splitting won the game in that case.

I think he was referring to splitting with omega spike, not against it.